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How many zeros are in a billion?

The following was forwarded to me by my dyamic entrepreneurial cousin Gina...
 
I am faxing it to my senators and representative as well as other leaders in congress as well.
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How many zeros in a billion?

This is too true to be funny.

The next time you hear a politician use the word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about whether you want the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of it's releases.
  1. A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
  2. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive. 
  3. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
  4. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet. 
  5. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.
While this thought is still fresh in our brain... let's take a look at New Orleans ... It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.
Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D) is presently askingCongressfor 250 BILLION DOLLARS to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number... what does it mean?
  1. Well... if you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man, woman, and child) you each get $516,528.
  2. Or... if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787. 
  3. Or... if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.
Washin gton, D. C. HELLO!  
Are all your calculators broken??  
  • Accounts Receivable Tax
  • Building Permit Tax
  • CDL License Tax Cigarette Tax
  • Corporate Income Tax
  • Dog License Tax
  • Federal Income Tax
  • Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
  • Fishing License Tax
  • Food License Tax
  • Fuel Permit Tax
  • Gasoline Tax
  • Hunting License Tax
  • Inheritance Tax
  • Inventory Tax
  • IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax) IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
  • Liquor Tax
  • Luxury Tax
  • Marriage License Tax
  • Medicare Tax
  • Property Tax
  • Real Estate Tax
  • Service charge taxes
  • Social Security Tax
  • Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
  • Sales Taxes
  • Rec reational Vehicle Tax
  • School Tax
  • State Income Tax
  • State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
  • Telephone Federal Excise Tax
  • Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
  • Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
  • Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
  • Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
  • Telephone State and Local Tax
  • Telephone Usage ChargeTax
  • Utility Tax
  • Vehicle License Registration Tax
  • Vehicle Sales Tax
  • Watercraft Registration Tax
  • Well Permit Tax
  • Workers Compensation Tax
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago... and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
 
We had absolutely no national debt... We had the largest middle class in the world... and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
 
What happened? Can you spell 'politicians!' 
 
I hope this goes around the USA at least a billion times!!!    
 
What the heck happened????
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FairTax – Removal of Barriers to Economic Growth

 

In terms of objectives for a better tax solution we covered why FairTax simplicity and FairTax revenue neutrality are important. It’s time to tackle the issue of removing barriers to economic growth.

First off, what are the barriers to economic growth?

The most basic answer is anything that impedes the overall prosperity of our people – almost exclusively associated with reducing our ability to compete in free markets. This wasn’t such a big deal 96 years ago (i.e. when we allowed the 16th Amendment to be ratified) when our markets were more isolated and when gross manipulation of the tax code hadn’t occurred.

But where do we stand today?

  1. 1.       We are in a competitive global market.
  2. 2.       We have 66,000 pages of tax code that shift the burden away from those who can afford to lobby our politicians and onto the little guy.

Most U.S. companies compete with one arm tied behind their back. The exceptions are those with significant tax breaks – usually very large organizations. 

Entrepreneurs with great ideas must not only be experts in their fields they must be experts in complex tax compliance. Sure, they can hire tax attorneys and CPAs but financial resources must be committed which take away from developing ideas and getting products and services to market. 

Also, once started, companies must divert 7.65% of gross pay (employer-side of payroll tax on salaries and wages of its workforce) to our federal government. In a society that is increasingly service-oriented and when you consider marketing, distribution, sales, administration (as well as all marketing, sales, admin of suppliers) these payroll taxes make up a significant cost of doing business which must be priced into the end products and services that you and I buy as consumers. Of course we need to factor in the ongoing cost of tax compliance as well (payroll services and/or internal software systems plus tax attorneys and CPAs). If business is a pipeline and profits come out of the end of the pipe, inefficiency constitutes the leaks in the pipe where profits seep out. Unnecessary tax compliance is a major leak to all U.S. companies.

Finally, any profit that our entrepreneur is able to manage gets taxed via the corporate tax as well.

Speaking about profits, it is worth mentioning that our government wants companies to record profits sooner rather than later. Any significant investment that our entrepreneur makes in plant and equipment must be depreciated using complex tax schedules many years into the future rather than in the year of acquisition in order to maximize (in the government’s eyes) net profit before taxes. This enables the government to take “their share” sooner rather than wait until the capital expenditure pays for itself. Our entrepreneur must carefully consider the tax consequences and additional financing prior to committing to any large acquisitions which often-times prevents companies from moving forward.

The payroll taxes, corporate taxes, and capital investment considerations can be entirely removed from the production side of goods and services by replacing our 66,000 page 96-year-old tax system that is on life support with the FairTax (see FairTax in a NutShell). In addition, costly efforts to comply with tax complexity can be replaced with one simple calculation – 23% of net sales of new goods and services period.

Our entrepreneur can now take his/her great idea and really run with it unshackled! He/she can invest in facilities and equipment, research and development, production and operations, distribution, marketing and sales… all with little to no required consideration to and ongoing cost of tax compliance. 

To bring this point home, if our entrepreneur wants to tackle, for example, our energy challenges which might require $100 million investment in plant & equipment, scientific r&d, operations, marketing, sales, etc. ahead of sale #1 under our current tax system, he/she will likely need only $75 million after the FairTax has been around for a few years.   The government will get theirs… but on the consumption side not the production side.

By un-taxing production and productivity, we remove barriers to economic growth. 
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FairTax in a Nutshell - a featured article

In order to establish a common base of understanding about the FairTax, I am providing the link to a plain English summary that appears on the www.fairtax.org with a direct link HERE.  It can also found by Googling "FairTax plain English".  I highly recommend reading the first page in order to get a broad stroke of what the FairTax is all about.
 
The FairTax is gaining quite a lot of momentum as of late - especially during the presidential primary process with supporters such as Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, Mike Gravel, Tom Tancredo, and Alan Keyes.  I believe that it is not a matter of "if", it is a matter of "when" and I believe the sooner the better!
 
My articles here offer supporting opinion on why our nation would benefit tremendously with implementation of the FairTax.  I welcome comments both pro and con.
 
Peace,
 
YK
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FairTax – The Importance of Funding our Government at Current Levels

Another of the important objectives in an alternate tax system is that of funding our government at the current level. Many of us will question this. In fact, I fully agree that our government wastes far too much of our money. However, if we are ever going to get tax reform in our country, we need to keep income and spending legislation separate. Why? Tax reform is enough of an uphill battle without bundling spending constraints along with it. We can voice our support for the FairTax Act and, in completely separate support, voice our support for spending reform.

Even with spending at current levels, many taxpayers will experience tax relief with the FairTax for two reasons. (1) tax tax evaders (the underground economy, etc.) will immediately start sharing the burden of taxation with their common every-day purchases and (2) we will all get a simplicity dividend (hey, I like that). We will no longer be required to pay hundreds (or thousands) of dollars in annual tax compliance. 

In a completely separate effort, We the People need get our politicians to curb their massive spending appetite. When we do, I would support keeping the 23% FairTax rate until we completely pay down the national debt. 

To recap, it is right to be concerned about government spending… but just not in the same bill as massive tax reform.
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FairTax Arguments for Simplicity

In my discussion with Andrew on important considerations for a tax system I argue that simplicity is something to seek whereas Andrew believes that simplicity is not so important. Andrew has his Simplicity write-up for your viewing pleasure.

All things being equal (i.e. does it treat taxpayers in a fair and balanced way), I do believe that simplicity in a tax system is something to strive for.   When I consider simplicity I am essentially considering the following:

  1. 1.       Can the taxpayers (and tax collectors) understand what is expected of them without having a degree in taxation?
  2. 2.       Does the taxpayer have to jump through complex hoops to comply?
  3. 3.       Is the taxpayer restricted unnecessarily?

Since our current system is what we are used to, I provide examples from my own experience of what is required for our current tax filings. I have a small business and a family of four. My CPA does taxes for both entities because he has expertise that I would never be able to apply in order to pay my required share. 

On the business side I am required to withhold income and payroll taxes from payroll checks. I am required to withhold at different rates for different earning brackets and to stop withholding certain taxes when certain thresholds are reached. I am required to file 941 payroll tax deposits with each pay cycle. I am required to file quarterly reconciliation reports. I am required to report new hires. I am required to keep track of all revenues and expenses. Some capital expenditures I must expense years into the future. Some provisions allow me accelerated depreciation when the government wants to prime the economy. I file W2s, 1099’s etc. as well an annual tax return which, as a subchapter S corporation, flows income for my personal income filing through a for K1.

As an individual I may have to file quarterly estimated taxes. I fund my Individual Retirement Accounts, Health Savings Account, College Savings Account, Variable Life Insurance (all to reduce taxes and make my financial planners money).  I gather up all my W2s, 1099s, 5498-SAs for investment income, salary/wage earnings, interest income, dividend income so I can file my annual tax returns… I can write off mortgage interest. I get child credits. I can also write-off some losses (but I may have to take losses over time so that the government is sure to get their money). I may get some tax credits for certain activities. I may be subject to the alternative minimum tax. I may or may not get a tax refund.

Oh, and if I have a significant event in my life… I better talk to a tax specialist. If my health deteriorates and I am forced to cash in an investment, I must prepare to pay Uncle Sam before I take care of my specific needs.

Perhaps complexity is by design… If our politicians in their infinite wisdom make things complex, perhaps folks just won’t itemize & the government gets to keep taxes in excess of what is actually due… If so, who does this affect the most? Not the wealthy who can afford tax planners.

Does the current income tax pass my litmus test? No.

  1. 1.       No, not everyone can understand it. It is 66,000 pages… not exactly a weekend read.
  2. 2.      Yes, taxpayers have to jump through hoops to comply.  Businesses pass these compliance costs onto consumers as a cost of doing business.
  3. 3.      Yes, taxpayers are unnecessarily restricted. To avoid paying more than due, we must separate funds into IRAs, HSAs, Variable Life Policies, etc.  We have tax consequences when we need to cash in on investments and even when we leave money to our heirs. 

There are too many entities and too many moving parts. Every business AND individual has significant filing requirements. The average person cannot understand this complexity.

As an option, we have the FairTax bill which has the following requirements:

1.       Registered Sellers file regular Sales Tax returns and remit payment of 23% based on the sale of new goods and services. These sales tax filings will likely be made part of a combined Federal and State sales tax filings vs. a separate federal and state sales tax filings.

2.       Consumers consume and see the 23% tax appear on their sales receipts.

3.       Qualified Families can register annually in order to receive monthly prebate checks.

Is it really that easy? For most of us, yes. Can it be more complex? Sure. Families using unregistered domestic help are required to remit the sales tax. There will be other possible complexities as well but this is far simpler than our current system. Does the FairTax pass the my litmus test?

  1. 1.      Yes, everyone can understand it.
  2. 2.      No, the taxpayer does not have to jump through hoops to comply.
  3. 3.      No, the taxpayer is not unnecessarily restricted. Consume services and new goods? Pay the tax. Consume used goods, pay no tax.

Now, in fairness, a Flat Tax that is void of massive complexity would be simpler than what we have now but… where the FairTax puts only a small filing burden on registered sellers (sellers of new goods and services) the Flat Tax puts a more significant burden on every family and business to track revenues & expenses. Both are an improvement over what we have currently but, in my estimate, the FairTax is simpler and better.

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Taxation Solution Requirements continued

Here's a reply to Andrews' Reframing the Debate post.

When attempting to consider solutions to existing problems is it not appropriate to have goals and objectives that deal with existing deficiencies? Creating goals and objectives in a vacuum or against some fantasy (untaxed) land isn’t realistic. We all have familiarity with the current tax system and should use it as a baseline (since this is what we desire to move away from).

Andrew writes “We need to evaluate each tax system against a system without taxes to see how that system changes the economy.”

Exactly whose economy are you using as a baseline if we aren’t talking about our economy? To be clear - our economy has run under our present system in one form or another for nearly an entire century. Again, how can we know what changes will occur unless we compare to what is known. I maintain that it is completely appropriate to compare to our current system.

Also, I keep hearing the WTO argument. How does the WTO deal with state sales tax? I really don’t understand the concern with the WTO. Does the WTO influence the EEC from stripping away VATs from export items that make it to our shores? What if duty and a national sales tax were one and the same? I am doing my best not to pick a tax solution (FairTax, Flat Tax)… I am mainly trying to identify deficiencies with our current tax system as objectives to strive for fixing in a new tax system.

In terms of Andrew’s ground rules… 

1.   I do see a real urgency. The runaway stagecoach is extreme but Andrew’s argument that our tax system hasn’t ended the world in the last 100 years with our present system does not apply either. The world is different today than it was 25/50/100 years ago. The next 25 years will be different than our last 25 years just as the 5 years preceding 2005 for Real Estate were different than the years immediately after 2005. At what point do we choose to reverse the trend of jobs, capital, and opportunity fleeing our lands? While we still can or when it is too late?
2. Agreed that a new system must be MUCH better than our current system.

3. Yes, there is always uncertainty. There was uncertainty ahead of the American Revolution. Our founding fathers embarked on something that had never been tried before. There is uncertainty with staying with our current tax system as well.

4. Coming up with the exhaustive analysis of pro and con I will leave up to the analysts. I am going to focus on common sense in my arguments.

5. As indicated above, it is impossible to compare a new system to a system of no taxation as a baseline. There are no real-world problems to compare against. 6. When we define (and agree on) the objectives, we can consider solutions (FairTax, Flat Tax, etc.) against the objectives. Regarding an argument for against a national tax, we both agree that this would be unrealistic.

So, at this point where do we stand with solutions requirements? My tally is as follows Objective - YK favorable/Andrew favorable

1. Simple (Y/N)
2. Fund our government at the same level. (Y/Y)
3. Remove barriers to Economic Growth. (Y/Y)
4. Remove barriers to U.S. Competiveness Internationally (Y/Y)
5. Minimize barriers to Capital Investment in the U.S. (Y/Y)
6. Minimize barriers to Capital Formation in the U.S. (Y/Y)
7. Minimize loss of productivity as a consequence of taxation (Y/Y)
8. Respect privacy and civil rights (Y/N)
9. Make the true cost of government transparent. (Y/?)
10. Remove barriers to upward mobility. (Y/?)
11. Lower the cost of employment (Y/?)
12. Minimize barriers to Create Jobs (Y/?)
13. Treat everyone equitably (Y/Y)
14. Minimize barriers to capital formation and entrepreneurship (Y/?)
15. Level the playing field between small and large business (Y/?)
16. Minimize Tax Planning as a Burden (Y/?)
17. Easy to administer (Y/?)
18. Address Medicare and Social Security (Y/?)
19. Minimizes the individual harm done (Y/Y)
20. Treats all individuals and all types of income and wealth similarly (Y/Y)
21. Does not target specific acts or assets for favorable or punitive treatment (Y/Y)
22. Has the lowest total administrative cost per dollar of revenue (Y/Y)
23. Taxes only enough to cover needs, not more (N/Y)
24. Produces consistent results (Y/Y)

Please note that Andrew ’ s objectives have been added to the list as items 19-24 but that they are no more or less important that the objectives that I list.  If we can agree to clear out the objectives that we agree on, I would like focus on the objectives that we don't agree on to either (1) gain consensus or (2) agree to disagree.

YK

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Clarification of Tax Objectives

 

Andrew and I have been having a conversation about my advocacy and his opposition of the FairTax. He recently gave a reply Partial Reply to yt_knight to some objectives that I listed. First, some common ground:

I largely accept all of the bullet points that Andrew puts forth (restated below).

1. Minimizes the individual harm done
2. Treats all individuals and all types of income and wealth similarly
3. Does not target specific acts or assets for favorable or punitive treatment
4. Has the lowest total administrative cost per dollar of revenue
5. Taxes only enough to cover needs, not more
6. Produces consistent results

I would argue about Andrew’s point #5 in my point #2 below. I also argue that we should maintain funding to pay down (and eliminate) the national debt but otherwise we are in agreement on his points.

I would also argue that we are not far apart on several of the 18 objectives that I put forth in my FairTax counter - change for change sake... blog entry even though Andrew chose to argue semantics.   If Andrew simply argued from common agreement that some form of tax system is required vs. pitting my objectives against a system of no taxes whatsoever it would have been more constructive. To avoid the game of semantics perhaps I should have rephrased objectives to communicate “keeping harm to a minimum”. For instance, point #3 could have been rephrased to “minimize barriers to economic growth” rather than “promote economic growth”.  A clarification/counterargument on these points… Again, I believe that our tax system should be:

  1. 1.       Simple (i.e. ability for taxpayers to comply without expensive tax preparation fees).   I agree that it should be consistent too.
  2. 2.       Fund our government at the same level. I argue that massive tax reform will be hard enough to pass without including provisions to cut spending. I agree that government spending needs to be cut but I argue that taxing and spending need to be addressed separately – otherwise neither will pass if they are bundled into one reform push.
  3. 3.       Remove barriers to Economic Growth.  
  4. 4.       Remove barriers to U.S. Competiveness Internationally – (Promote U.S. Competitiveness) – I argue that when taxes are ultimately priced into U.S. products and services (ahead of actual consumption) that competing products/services that strip these taxes (either partially or entirely) ahead of export have a great advantage. Andrew puts forth an argument that the U.S. might run afoul of the WTO. Really? Is our country sovereign or not? Besides, isn’t the U.S. paying the largest tab for peace-keeping military efforts globally? Why shouldn’t we have a right to have a tax system that levels the playing field in terms of global competitiveness?
  5. 5.       Minimize barriers to Capital Investment in the U.S. – High Corporate taxes chase away capital investment in our lands. Any tax system (FairTax, Flat Tax, or otherwise) that eliminates corporate taxes does much to solve this problem.
  6. 6.       Minimize barriers to Capital Formation in the U.S. In a prosperous society I argue that a proper balance will be struck between investment and consumption.   Also, when the burden of tax planning is removed from business (i.e. what is the tax consequence of purchasing that equipment this year vs. next fiscal tax reporting year), commerce becomes more fluid. Many bold initiatives are often shelved (or altered) because of tax consequences given our current tax code. 
  7. 7.       Minimize loss of productivity as a consequence of taxation – I agree with Andrew that 5, 6, and 7 are interrelated. In addition, though, unleashing small business (removing barriers) will create even more productivity and higher GDP.
  8. 8.       Respect privacy and civil rights. Andrew and I disagree here. The income tax is intrusive and abusive requiring a running tally of all sources of income. There is no requirement in the FairTax to report detail of all purchases to the taxing agency (only monthly totals).   A key problem with the IRS is that we are presumed guilty with the burden of proof on us. A reformed tax system should presume innocence with the burden on the government to prove otherwise.
  9. 9.       Make the true cost of government transparent. Andrew missed my point here. My argument here is that tax incentives on the income side of the ledger are completely hidden from “We the People”. In order for government to be transparent, all spending should show up on the spending side of the ledger. It is impossible to see what programs are being assisted (funded) via tax incentives when their programs never appear on the spend side of the ledger. I believe Andrew and I agree that free markets that do not create winners and losers in the tax code are preferable.
  10. 10.   Remove barriers to upward mobility. My argument here is that it is preferable for families to be able to choose when to pay their taxes vs. have the government reach into our wallets as we earn… If young families choose to rein in spending in order to save, invest, and build their nest egg and then choose to consume more (and therefore fund our government more) after they are on solid financial footing they have more control over their lives. Try doing that under our current tax system. Work two jobs & you get elevated into a higher tax bracket & the government takes even more earnings.
  11. 11.   Lower the cost of employment – Andrew misses the point here. By removing income and payroll tax withholding along with all of the associated compliance issues the cost of employment drops period. Not sure why Andrew went off on other non-employment arguments with this point…
  12. 12.   Minimize barriers to Create Jobs – Small business and entrepreneurship has the potential to create more jobs when barriers are removed. Currently, if it takes $10,000,000 in labor and services to get a company off the ground (R&D, legal formation, marketing, operations, etc.) the government will get their roughly $2,300,000 in embedded labor taxes before sale #1 is even made – unless, of course, we have tax incentives but we are trying to get away from that right?
  13. 13.   Treat everyone equitably – no disagreement so no further clarification
  14. 14.   Minimize barriers to capital formation and entrepreneurship – with the addition of my argument from #12 above… Also, forming capital is easier when there is no tax consequence on the investment side.
  15. 15.   Level the playing field between small and large business. Andrew and I agree that relative size of business should be of no concern. High compliance costs favor large business. Large business has the wherewithal to lobby congress and create tax advantages. This cannot be said for small business. A tax system that levels the playing field is more equitable.
  16. 16.   Remove Tax Planning as a Burden – Andrew tries to minimize this issue but many investment decisions (capital expenditures, etc.) under the current tax system require careful thought to tax consequences. As indicated, some expenditures are shelved or delayed due to tax unfavorable consequences.
  17. 17.   Easy to administer – I argue that this is essential. If Andrew wants to argue for argument sake (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM) that’s fine but simplicity is a goal because complexity costs money.  Yes, I agree that there is a balance but ease of administration should be considered.
  18. 18.   Address Medicare and Social Security – Andrew claims that these programs are not part of the tax system. I wonder if Andrew gets a paycheck & sees that 7.65% of his gross wages (+ another 7.65% that the employer matches) is withheld. If these programs aren’t dealt with at the same time as the income tax where should they be dealt with?
Now, prior to continuing a CurrentTaxFairTax/FlatTax/OtherTax debate, I invite Andrew to reconsider the objectives.  Afterall, if we can't agree on objectives how can we debate the effectiveness of one system over another?
 
Cheers,
 
YK
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FairTax - Fairness Across Generations

 

I have had the opportunity to debate GyroTyro (GT)over the last week about the FairTax and how it treats different generations. Some interesting revelations came of this debate.

  1. 1.       It is very clear that those in/near retirement have real concerns about double-taxation
  2. 2.       No generation wants to feel as though it is being taken advantage of

As much is our debate teetered beyond civil in some cases, I appreciate GT’s perspective and I appreciate his concerns. If I were in my twilight years after having paid taxes out of my earnings all of my working years and then I were faced with the proposition of having to be taxed again I wouldn’t be happy about it either. Let’s break things down though to determine whether retired folks will be better off, worse off, or about the same with a change to the FairTax.

First-off, it is worth mentioning that the first $10,400 per adult ($20,800 per married couple) of taxable consumption go completely untaxed with the FairTax. Let’s set this aside for now but it is a key provision that puts families’ and individuals’ survival first ahead of government needs.

Pricing of products/services:

Under the FairTax, anything 100% provided by U.S. Labor will be largely a wash (give or take 2-3 %). Embedded taxes that make their way into the pricing of U.S-made products and services via payroll tax, corporate tax, and tax compliance burdens on corporations (estimated 22%) get stripped away from the productivity side but then added back at the point of business-to-consumer sale at 23-cents-on-the-dollar. Net effect? A $100 pair of U.S.-made boots might cost $102 at the register. A $100 medical procedure might cost $98.00 with the FairTax. In effect, it is basically a wash.

What about imported items which is a concern of GTs? Well, if manufacturing is still roughly 30% of the ultimate cost of goods sold (as it was when I studied in Business School), than 70% of the price of an imported item (say for a $100 pair of loafers) would involve U.S. marketing, distribution, admin, and profit of 70% ($70) which would have 22% embedded tax stripped away ($15.40). Adding the FairTax in on an $84.60 item gives us an after-FairTax price of $110. 

Now a 10% increase over what it would cost at the register preFairTax for imported items is not attractive if it is considered in a vacuum but remember, we are only talking about imported items & how many individuals buy 100% imported goods and no domestically provided services? Is a 50/50 split reasonable? That would be a 5% overall increase in price. How about a 30/70 split which would result in an approximate 3% after-FairTax increase in price? 

Still, we are trying to prove that the FairTax, at worst, will be a lateral move for seniors so even 3% is unacceptable.

But does this hypothetical retired person have any income (social security, interest income, dividends, capital gains, rental income, etc.)? No more filing income tax returns… no more paying the CPA to generate tax returns… No taxable income? Well, we could argue that he/she has no business buying expensive imported items. In fact, we this person could be thrifty and maximize consumption of second-hand items (even imported second-hand items if desired) completely tax free since used goods are not taxable items under the FairTax.

Okay, so given the above, most seniors are better off under the FairTax than with the current system but if we aren’t quite there yet for some… let’s go ahead and add the FairTax prebate in ($200 per adult per month in 2008 figures).

Am I good with this realizing that I have a mother and father approaching their 70s with plenty of kick left in the years ahead? Absolutely. 

Under the FairTax we have much more control over our lives which is a great thing. I hope folks can see it.

Finally, it is worth mentioning for my friend GT’s sake that fairness across generations works both ways. As a 44 year-old, I have been paying into Social Security and Medicare for over 25 years. I will continue to pay until either the FairTax gets implemented (at which time Social Security and Medicare will be funded out of the general fund) or until it goes bankrupt. I have no illusion that I will receive dime #1 back from these programs under the current tax structure. So where you (GT) may be concerned about paying during your income-earning years and then paying again via consumption in your twilight years (but receiving Social Security and Medicare Benefits), I have a concern about paying all along the way and receiving no Social Security/Medicare Benefits. The generational argument cuts both ways.

This has been a good exercise for me. I hope others get some benefit as well.

Cheers,

YK

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FairTax counter - change for change sake...

My reply to ch-ch-changes argument...  Let's get to the heart of the matter.

How interesting… When I look back at my entries I describe in detail what change will benefit our nation and the people of our lands. How you could Andrew miss the message? 

I describe how our current tax system chases job, businesses, capital, and prosperity away from our lands and that the FairTax can reverse this devastating trend. 

Andrew and I both know that any taxation on the productivity side gets passed along in the pricing of goods and services. The FairTax simply removes taxes from the productivity side (at every step of R&D, raw materials extract, production, distribution, marketing, sales, administration, tax compliance, etc.) and adds a 23-cents-on-the-dollar tax back at the consumption side of new goods and all business-to-customer services via a national retail sales tax. 

I describe how making this change immediately makes the United States a tax-haven which would attract capital investment and opportunity back to our lands and provide more jobs and more prosperity. 

I describe how making this change invites those who live among us who evade and avoid income taxes now (about 30% of our population) to contribute and pay their fair share which would stop breaking the backs of middle and upper-middle classes who are paying more than their fair share. 

Yet, Andrew describes my responses as Obamaesque… change for change sake... Is that really fair? 

I wonder what kind of detail Andrew is looking for?  Hmm.  How about the equivalent of an Environmental Impact Report?  Would he read it?  He won't read the FairTax books (heck, he knows enough about the FairTax to get by with just the second book - "FairTax the Truth- Answering the Critics"... 200 pages... a weekend read).  I can see that he blogs a ton and getting clarification from a well-thought-out and well-presented source might be more of a commitment than he is ready for but, heck, the back and forth between Andrew and I might have been much reduced...  It may be a lost cause.

If I recall correctly, Andrew is in software development which is my profession as well.  I wonder if Andrew has ever written a software application and then found a need to make adjustments either right before implimenting the solution or shortly afterward?  It is not uncommon...  In fact, one Solution Framework that is widely used recommends solving the heart of the matter in primary interations (envision, plan, develop, stabilize, deploy) and then work out further details in subsequent iterations (rinse, lather, repeat)...  The heart of the matter...  What is the heart of the matter for someone like Andrew?  Perhaps I should ask...

Andrew, you have a wonderful ability to communication in written form and it is clear that you enjoy doing it.  Let's team up and come up with a vision for what a system of taxation should accomplish.  I will start with the following vision statement. I really hope you will help complete it/refine it.

To me, a system of taxation should: 

  1. 1.      be simple – so that we all understand it (not just tax attorneys)
  2. 2.      fund our government at the same level of current funding
  3. 3.      promote economic growth – not retard it
  4. 4.      promote U.S. competitiveness internationally – not impede it
  5. 5.      invite capital investment and jobs to our lands – not chase them away.
  6. 6.      accelerate capital formation necessary for real wages to steadily increase – not slow it
  7. 7.      increase productivity not lower it
  8. 8.      respect privacy and civil rights of U.S. citizens - not intrude upon it
  9. 9.      make the true cost of government transparent – not hide it
  10. 10. accelerate upward social mobility – not impede it
  11. 11. lower the cost of employment – not raise it
  12. 12. create jobs and maximize employment – not destroy jobs and create unemployment
  13. 13. treat everyone equitably – not have a disproportionately adverse affect on the poor
  14. 14. encourage capital formation and entrepreneurship – not discourage it
  15. 15. level the playing field between large enterprise and small business – not foster continued dominance of large enterprise over small business
  16. 16. remove tax planning as a burden to all entities – not impose unacceptably high tax planning
  17. 17. be easy to administer – not difficult
  18. 18. address Social Security and Medicare funding problems going forward – not ignore them

How is this for a start? As you state, let’s not just have change for change sake… that would be Obamaesque which, to me, is unacceptable.

I look forward to yours (and/or others') comments.

Best,

YK

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